ben leybovich sam grooms apartment syndications

Ben Leybovich is a veteran BiggerPockets member, massively successful real estate investor, apartment syndicator, author, speaker, and house-hacker.

Sam Grooms is a CPA and is a partner with Ben in syndication deals (taskmaster, organization, etc).

Needless to say, these guys know their stuff when it comes to real estate investing.

Ben and Sam have been working together on various apartment syndication deals. In this conversation, they share with us why they’ve chosen this niche of real estate, and we engage in a little healthy REtipster-style debate about apartments vs. other types of real estate.

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  1. Deone says:

    I very much enjoyed the candid (and kind of ironic) conversation about gurus in the RE space.

    I’m at a point in my life where I’ve ran the gamut in self help general (Robbins, Zigler, Willink, Ferriss), financial (Orman, Sethi, Ramsey), psychology (Malcolm Gladwell, Duckworth, the guy who wrote “Peak”), and RE; both the old guard and the new wave (Robert McCammon(?), Dolf de Roos, Dean Graziosi, Bigger Pockets, Seth himself), and I truly have guru sales tactics fatigue.

    It’s a thing I struggle with, as far as perceived versus actual value, and the terribleness that has become the upsell.

    That is one reason I’ve stuck with keeping Seth on my radar for several years now. The level and quality of free information is pretty damn generous (sometimes all the affiliate links give me pause, if I’m to be radically honest), and his first specialty being in raw land is so niche that it in itself has a lot of value.

    Even after putting a self imposed moratorium on buying courses, I almost bought his land investing course because my local annual tax lien auction usually has some decent sized tracts that I was coming across when looking for SFR’s. I may still end up buying it when the time comes back around.

    Anyway, this blunt and to the bone conversation was somewhat of a paradigm shift for me, and I really appreciate the down to earth honesty in it.

    Good podcast. Good choice to roll into the podcasting space. You guys nail it.

    1. Hi Deone, thanks for sharing your thoughts – that’s really helpful and insightful to hear. I didn’t realize the affiliate links weren’t landing right (honestly, I try not mention them unless they legitimately offer value), but it’s still good for me to hear your thoughts. If you’re feeling it, others probably are too, and I’ll definitely take this to heart. If you ever get the vibe that an affiliate link isn’t offering value to the topic at hand, feel free to reach out and tell me. It’s never my intent to push products and services that people won’t be able to use in a constructive way.

      1. Deone says:

        I wouldn’t worry about it on my behalf. It has always seemed like you are well aware of the product/service and use, or at least have used them yourself.

        I bounce around in the spaces that have affiliate links (or try to convince me to buy a course to affiliate market myself), and as I said, I’ve just become a bit fatigued with the (understandably necessary) upsells, click bait, and overall marketing that monopolizes online education now.

        My point is, I’m probably overly sensitive to it and you’ve always seemed genuine.

        I guess what I mean to say is, thanks for what you do, and keep on keeping on. You’re good, my Dude.

        1. Yeah, I totally understand. If anything, I’m probably a bit like you (my sales radar is pretty sensitive – I always know when I’m being pitched). Thanks for your insights either way!

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